LOST: “Because You Left”/ “The Lie”

Unfortunately for everyone (but mostly me), I’m traveling on business today—in fact, this post is going live from DFW airport—so I won’t be watching the first two episodes of season 5 until I return the the comfort of my DVR.

I’ll go ahead and publish the “links and miscellanea” section of my Lost post now, and leave the comments open for those who wish to discuss tonight’s episodes. I’ll follow this post with a “observations and speculations” post as soon as I get a chance to watch. Thanks.

UPDATE: I have now had a chance to watch the first two episodes, and I’ve amended this post to include an “observations and speculations” section below. Obviously, this post is now rife with spoilers for people who have not yet seen Episodes 5.1 and 5.2.

Links and miscellanea:

Enjoy the show!

Observations and Speculations:

  • The opening shot was a nice callback to the “numbers” from season 1 and 2: the alarm clock turned from 8:14 to 8:15. (The good doctor is a late sleeper, apparently.)
  • The song playing on the record player at the first of the episode is “Shotgun Willie” by Willie Nelson. Chorus: “You can’t make a record if you ain’t got nothin’ to say/You can’t make a record if you ain’t got nothin’ to say/You can’t play music if you don’t know nothin’ to play.”
  • I was impressed at how the visual metaphor of a skipping record was tied thematically later in the show, when Faraday explains the plight of the survivors as that of the time-space continuum being a great big record that’s skipping.
  • Speaking of the doctor, did you notice when he was filming the orientation film for the Arrow Station, he was back to being “Dr. Marvin Candle” (his other aliases include Dr. Mark Wickman and Dr. Edgar Hallowax), but when he was interrupted, he was called Dr. Chang? (According to Lostpedia, his first name is Pierre.) What’s up with the deception?
  • It’s significant that Dr. Chang has a baby. This must indicate that the fertility problem that Juliet was brought to the island to solve had not yet occurred. There are also several young kids running around the DHARMA barracks during this scene, something we’re not used to seeing.
  • Now we know the purpose of the Arrow Station (the abandoned station that the Tailies first discovered in season 2): it was for defense and intelligence gathering for the DHARMA people to protect themselves against the hostiles/Others.
  • Chang drives to the Orchid Station in the same DHARMA-branded VW bus that Ben’s dad died in.
  • Dr. Change (aka Candle) tells the construction worker at the Orchid Station that there are “rules that can’t be broken.” This is good. If we’re going to have this time-travel thing work at all, we need a rigid set of rules. Now we just need to know what those rules are. Faraday gives us the first of the “rules,” explaining that you can’t go back in time to change the future and comparing time to a street that you can move forward and backward along. The writers recognize that time-travel stories inherently lead to paradoxes (i.e., why doesn’t Hiro just keep going back in time ten minutes before Arthur Petrelli gets to formula until he’s finally able to succeed in destroying it?), but this rule might help keep the paradoxes to a minimum.
  • Desmond, we’re told, is an exception to the rule. Why? I believe the answer is, as we found out last season, that Desmond is Faraday’s “constant”—someone that a time traveler can contact outside of the time shifts that can keep them anchored into the temporal universe. Faraday can communicate with Desmond (and Desmond alone), regardless of which time he is currently experiencing. This is a little built-in pressure valve for the writers in case Rule No. 1 gets too confining, I guess. It’ll be interesting to see what the other rules are.
  • The worker with the bloody nose made me think of Minkowski and Faraday’s rat. Did his proximity to the time-travel making matter some how cause him to suffer the same affliction? And then, of course, we see Charlotte suffering from the same nose bleed later on in the episode. Charlotte needs to find herself a constant, and quick.
  • So we know now that three years passed between the time the Oceanic Six left the island (and Ben turned the Frozen Donkey Wheel) until John Locke/Bentham’s funeral. I’m not sure that we knew that before.
  • Faraday mentioned to Neil and the other people on the raft that it was because he was “inside the radius” that they moved in time with the island (or, uh, with the other people on the island—or, some of the people on the island— or whatever). Well, okay then. That’s really all the exposition we need to explain Dan’s continued presence on the show.
  • So why did Sawyer ask Dan for his shirt, anyway? I kind of doubt it would have fit. Then again, Frogurt’s shirt fits in the next episode, so who knows. Sawyer would look funny wearing Dan’s skinny tie, though.
  • The lawyers that show up at Kate’s house are from the law firm of Agostini & Norton. Agostini could be a reference to one of several Agostinis. Take your pick.
  • Fugitive Kate is the best kind of Kate (as opposed to Mommie Kate or Crazy Girlfriend Kate, for example), in my humble opinion. Good thing she keeps an emergency stash of cash and guns in her closet. Old habits die hard, I guess.
  • So this whole dislodged-from-time thing is awfully reminiscent of Slaughterhouse Five, the Kurt Vonnegut book. I’ve mentioned this before. In the novel, the main character, Billy Pilgrim, is similarly unstuck in time, and is trapped re-experiencing various scenes from his life (not from some mysterious island). I don’t remember the point exactly, except that it had something to do with the serenity prayer, which could relate to Dan’s insistence that you can’t change the past—you just have to accept the things you can’t change. By the way, this was not one of the books that Sawyer has read on the island, but it was mentioned in the background by a game show contestant in the episode “Meet Kevin Johnson” from last year.
  • We still don’t know how the drug plane with Eko’s brother, Yemi, and a bunch of Virgin Mary heroin got to the island. But I bet Locke is really, really tired of seeing it. It has to bring back a lot of unpleasant memories for him, including Boone’s death and the time he found out that button pushing was just an empty mind game (except when it’s not).
  • For someone who died in season 1, Ethan’s made a pretty good career as a recurring character.
  • For me, the classic line of this season will ever be, “So when are we now, whiz kid?”
  • Why exactly does Sun want to kill Ben? I mean, clearly she blames him for Jin’s death, but why does she blame him for Jin’s death?
  • In the Action 8 News report, the newscaster refers to the Oceanic Six as “infamous.” How did they become so infamous in the last three years?
  • In subtle ways, both episodes had key references to Charles Widmore, bringing him into the plot more centrally. Miles and Charlotte have an almost throwaway line about Widmore and how it “took him like 20 years” to find the island last time. This is interesting. Does that mean that Widmore is definitely tied to the DHARMA era of the island’s history? Also, the first scene from “The Lie” made it explicit that it is Widmore that Jack and the other Oceanic 6 people are thinking of when they decide to concoct a story to protect those left behind.
  • Faraday tells Sawyer that his journal contains his life’s work on time travel, and also everything he’s learned about the DHARMA initiative. Fascinating. It makes me wonder about the openning scene. Was Faraday there because he was traveling through time, or was he an original DHARMA scientist? Of course, he would have been much younger when that event took place, but the answer could still be both.
  • The compass that Alpert gives Locke is one of the six objects that were placed before young Locke when Richard comes and tests him in last season’s episode “Cabin Fever.”
  • Here’s a puzzler for you: why doesn’t Alpert move through time with the other left-behinds? Is Alpert Locke’s constant. That would seem to make sense, as they can interact with each other despite the time shifts. Alpert can dress Locke’s wounds, even though that shouldn’t have happened in the past. I think it’s likely that there’s a Faraday-Desmond relationship going on with Locke and Alpert.
  • Alternate theory to the above: the skipping-through-time phenomenon only affects those who arrived on the island from somewhere else. Alpert is a native, so it couldn’t effect him.
  • Another interesting reveal was that Locke dying was not an accident, but was part of the plan all along. Which leads unavoidably to the question of whether Locke is actually dead, or just mostly dead, as Miracle Max might say.
  • The beer that Lapidus takes from the fridge at the beginning of “The Lie” is Jekyll Island Red Ale, a fictional beverage. Jekyll Island is an island off the coast of Georgia.
  • Although we are still going to require an explanation for the appearances of the undead at some point (best guess: manifestations of the island/Jacob’s will), I really liked seeing Undead Ana Lucia. Then again, I was a strong Ana Lucia apologist in season 2. I like that Ana Lucia gave very specific instructions to Hurley (get new clothes, take Sayid to someone you trust, avoid cops, don’t get arrested) and that Hurley ended up asserting his own will by defying her, the island and Ben, all in one fail swoop.
  • So, three years after Oceanic Six returned and the island disappeared, Sayid has an ambivalent relationship with Ben. He’s been working for Ben, presumably until very recently, as a guy who, in Hurley’s words does lots of “crazy ninja moves and spy stuff.” And yet, he advises Hurley that, if he ever has the misfortune of meeting Ben again, do the exact opposite of what Ben says. Which of course, leads to the episode’s conclusion.
  • When Hurley goes into the convenience store and buys the “I :heart: Shih-tzu” t-shirt, Cheap Trick’s “Dream Police” is playing in the background. Sample lyrics: “Theyre looking for me./ Every single night / They’re driving me insane / Those men inside my brain.” Very Hurley-esque.
  • The introduction and destruction of Frogurt was a nice touch. You might recall that Frogurt was an off-screen character who was briefly referred to in the season 2 episode “S.O.S.” (He had helped Bernard construct his stone sign until he lost interest and abandoned the project.) He was jokingly referred to in the Cuse and Lindelof podcasts and next showed up in the webisodes as a peripheral character who had a crush on Libby. Low and behold, here he was in episodes 5.1 and 5.2, only to meet with a quick and satisfying end. It was another indication that the writers understood perfectly well their Nikki and Paolo mistake and were smart enough not to repeat it. Well done, I say. To borrow a phrase of an internet acquaintance of mine, Frogurt flambé is mighty tasty.
  • I loved that Hurley’s dad was watching Exposé! (Yet another Nikki and Paolo reference–Exposé was the show that was supposed to make Nikki into a star.) I especially liked that they got the same voiceover actor to do the line “Previously, on Exposé” as does that job for Lost. Nice touch!
  • Another “numbers” reference: When Ben is at the butcher shop, he takes the number “42”.
  • I find it interesting that Vincent made the trip through time with the other Left Behinds. Interesting, and awesome. It helps to keep my dream alive that one day we’ll see a Vincent-centric episode.
  • I loved the way that Miles goes hunting. He’s like a pig ghost whisperer. He can sense death, so he just wanders around the jungle until he finds a pig who has recently passed on to the next plane. It’s truly a sport in which patience and perseverance are rewarded.
  • Hurley and his father are both drinking Jarritos soda in episode 2—grapefruit flavor to be exact. I’m a big fan of this drink, and the grapefruit variety in particular. Jarritos is very popular amoung Latinos, so there’s nothing remarkable or significant about this. I just like to talk about Jarritos, so I thought I’d mention it.
  • I was very confused about who the men were that attacked Sawyer and Juliet (only to be knifed by Locke). The were brutal and efficient and referred to the island as “our island.” Were they paramilitary DHARMA-ites from the Arrow Station? Or were they an as yet unknown faction? I’m leaning toward the latter. All we really know about them is that one is named “Jones” and another “Mattingly.” Oh, and they are brutal. And baby-faced Jones has a fairly posh British accent.
  • Speaking of knifing, I’m beginning to think that something about the island makes people violent. Think about it; everyone we know who has ever spent any significant time on the island, not just the Others/Hostiles, but the hippy-ish DHARMA folks and the Oceanic 815 survivors, has eventually turned very violent. The island has an incredibly high body count. Almost everyone has killed someone at some point. Is it something about the island itself that has this effect on people?
  • You probably recognized the lady that Ben consults with at the end of “The Lie” as the woman Desmond met in episode 3.8 “Flashes Before Your Eyes.” Her name is Ms. Hawking, and she is the one who explained to Desmond that you can’t change the future, even if you know what’s going to happen, because the universe will always find a way to correct itself. (She was also in a photo with “Brother Campbell,” Desmond’s abbot from his days as a monk.) Query as to whether Mrs. Hawking is also Faraday’s mother, who sometimes lives in Oxford. Remember that Dan didn’t quite get her name out when he talked to hatch-dwelling Desmond. I’d say that the chances are pretty high.
  • Contrary to popular internet rumor, Desmond does not call Ms. Hawking “Penney Locke” or “Mrs. Locke.” Instead, he asks her “any luck?” Right before that, there’s a continuity error in which Ben blows out the same long match twice. I don’t suppose that’s intentional. If it was, this would be The Matrix.
  • Oh, and the computer Ms. Hawking is using to calculate the “event window” looks suspiciously like the Apple IIe computer from the Swan Station.
  • In “Flashes Before Your Eyes,” Hawking told Desmond that, unless he keeps pushing that button every 108 minutes, every one will die. In this episode, she tells Ben that if he can’t ge everyone to go back to the island, then “God help us all.” She seems very into dramatic consequences.

All in all, I really enjoyed these episodes. Lost didn’t miss a beat from last year’s excellent season. It will be interesting to see how the show progresses. While the frenetic flashing through time made for an interesting and exciting season premier, it also has the potential to be extremely confusing and disorienting (even for Lost). I wonder if the Left Behinds will find a way to control it. Right now, I’m finding the on-island story line much more compelling than the off-island one.

Whatever happens, I’m just happy to have TV’s best show back and (for the time being, anyway), I’m confident that the writers are going to keep this thing going strong right through to the series finale.

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60 thoughts on “LOST: “Because You Left”/ “The Lie”

  1. I watched the J J Abrams helmed Fringe return last night. While it is ridiculously silly – basically bad 50’s B-movie science fiction – the actors are compelling enough to enjoy. It’s no Lost but it does seem headed in that level of complexity – despite what Abrams has said in the past. I wonder if they have someone keeping track of plot points like Lost does.

  2. I wonder how much Abrams has ever been involved w/ Lost since directing its pilot, which may be a good thing.

    Despite his reputation, I’ve never gotten into anything else he’s done.

    His company produces Lost but it sounds like he’s been fairly hands off since the beginning w/ Lindleof and Cuse actually handling the show.

  3. My sense is Abrams hasn’t been that involved. I don’t think this interview with him was posted. It suggests he likes the mystery without the payback. This is I think to most people annoying. It was one thing that got very annoying about Alias and (I think) led to its downfall. All mystery and no payback.

    While a lot of people have slammed Lost for this I think there has been a lot of payback and I do think everything is getting answered. With Fringe I’m more dubious although the basics are there. (And remarkably similar plotwise to Lost: two factions battling over mysterious science that affects all civilization.)

  4. I got a nice solid piece of Lost spoiler-age from a pretty direct source… so direct I can’t say anything or it’d be traced pretty quickly. But my inner-nerd rejoiced 🙂

  5. AICN gives the first hour an A and the second hour a B-. They also suggest a conflict between what the producers say about time travel and what the characters do. (I’m betting Faraday is wrong)

    I don’t want Lost to use the time travel paradigm of Heroes, T2, or Back to the Future.

  6. AICN gives the first hour an A and the second hour a B-. They also suggest a conflict between what the producers say about time travel and what the characters do.

    It’s worth noting that these two episodes were not originally intended to be aired together. The season premier is the first episode and the second episode is a Hurley-centric one.

  7. OK I watched them and I did like the Hurley episode. It wasn’t as good as the first one but I don’t know what’s up with giving it a B-/C+. That was ridiculous.

    The whole surprise about yet an other group was awesome. (Freaking flaming arrows? How cool was that?) They looked like Australian soldiers in WWII.

    Plus the whole who is chasing who thing I dug. So who were those men after Hurley? Ben’s?

    And the biggest mystery. Is Locke really dead?

    The best show on TV remains the best show on TV. Plus I like how despite not really doing flashbacks they manage a flashback. Oh, and the return of the mysterious time traveling old lady who met Desmond during his time traveling at the monastery. And best of all no Back to the Future multiple time lines.

  8. I thought maybe the flaming arrow guys were the Dharmas or maybe the others. I didn’t realize there was the possibility of yet another group.

    I liked when Hurley told Sayid if he ate more comfort food maybe he wouldn’t kill so many people. Ain’t it the truth?

  9. Alright, I need some help with a few issues I’m having a hard time remembering.

    *Charlotte’s bloody nose. I am remembering this happening with Desmond, but I can’t recall what it means. Is that what starts to happen when you become unstuck in time? What will happen if you get unstuck in time? Is that what Desmond avoided by having a constant? His constant was Penny, right?

    *Just remind me again why Jack agrees with Ben that they have to go back? Besides that his life has been awful since he returned, has there been a specific, concrete reason given for why they need to return?

    *I have no recollection of a conversation between Jack and Locke off-island, but it appears that such a conversation has often been referenced. I have no memory of how Bentham turned up in Hoff/Drawler. Do we know? Did Jack somehow communicate with him? Do we know why Jack lost it when he saw the notice of Locke’s death?

  10. Some awesome moments from last night:

    Neil complaining about fire, and then being struck dead from a flaming arrow. That was so awesome. The hail of flaming arrows in general: awesome. And Juliette caring for a wounded guy by heaping dirt on the flaming arrow stuck in his gut.

    Hurley following Sayid’s advice to to exactly the opposite of what Ben says, by running and turning himself in to the cops. So awesome. Also, he simultaneously disobeyed the advice from ghost Ana Lucia by turning himself in to the cops. Who was right- Ana Lucia or Sayid? My spidey sense says he should have trusted Ana Lucia this time.

    “Libby says hi.”

    “And then there was this button that we had to push every 108 minutes or . . . well I was never really clear on that.”

    Sun’s new shady character, being all rich and powerful and villainy, but in a good way. How the heck is Ben ever going to get her to come back to the island?

    Des and Penny. I just love Des and Penny. What a beautiful, warm, three-dimensional couple. Nice way of having him remember that meeting with Faraday.

    The meeting on Penny’s boat about whether to lie, and how Frank was up for doing whatever.

  11. The bloody nose things I believe leads to death unless that person finds his/her “constant.” Desmond’s “constant” was Penny.

    Who was the woman in the robe that turned when Ben entered the room at the very end? She looked familiar.

  12. I was just thinking that Neil would be a fun character to start hating when that arrow hit him. And I agree, awesome.

  13. David, the woman in the robe was the woman who talked to Desmond when he had his time traveling experience after triggering the explosion in the hatch. That was the one with the picture of Penny in London episode.

  14. Jack agrees with Ben because the Island is communicating with him. That’s partially why he turns to drugs. The ghosts are probably manifestations from the island.

    I don’t think we know why Jack lost it while seeing Locke. Although the scene where Batmanuel tells Locke that he has to die probably is part of it. i.e. Locke willingly gives his life.

    Lots of mysteries still.

  15. Clark: I think the woman in the robe who talked with Desmond is probably also going to turn out to be Daniel’s mother—whom Daniel instructed Desmond to go find at Oxford. Just a guess—but we know both Daniel and that lady are time-travelers.

    *Just remind me again why Jack agrees with Ben that they have to go back? Besides that his life has been awful since he returned, has there been a specific, concrete reason given for why they need to return?

    Jack says it’s because Locke told him that everyone left behind would die if Jack et al didn’t return.

  16. Locke is dead, for lo, he stinketh.

    I have a feeling that the island will revive Locke even if he’s dead. Just put the body on the beach, add a little water, and watch it grow! Chia-Locke!

    Yeah, I wonder why Jack got so emotional when he saw Locke’s dead body. It’s not like they were good friends or anything… hmmm…

  17. Jack got emotional because he killed Locke. Duh. It will all be revealed.

    My favorite moment: when Hugo threw the burrito in Ben’s general direction.

  18. I love the Ben Hugo moment. I liken Ben to Satan appearing as an angel of light to tempt Hugo to do the wrong thing, and I loved it that Hugo said no. I know the writers are trying to twist our views about Ben, but to me he was, is, and always will be evil.

  19. Is anyone else waiting for an afroed Anglo sporting a very long scarf to emerge from a blue British police box mysteriously found on the island?

  20. BrianJ- but when did Jack and Locke speak? Are we just presuming that they had an off-island conversation with one another that we haven’t seen yet, prior to Locke’s death?

  21. Jack says it’s because Locke told him that everyone left behind would die if Jack et al didn’t return.

    Note that this was right after Locke knifed the Portuguese woman who was pretending to rescue Jack’s group. Locke finally gives in to Jack, walks away, but warns him first.

    I think Locke visited Jack after that but we’ve never seen that.

    I think Jack is upset because he realized Locke was right in a bunch of ways. But I’m sure it’ll come out over the next weeks.

  22. I like the Jack-killed-Locke theory. I mean, we know Jack isn’t afraid to pull the trigger when he’s got a gun in hand – he just needs to remember to reload! LOL

    And the devil’s handshake is just like Santa Claus’ handshake. Don’t ask me how I know this.

    I need some Mr. Eko this season, dangit.

  23. When the plane appears I have to confess a part of me was hoping Eko would make an appearance and that this would explain something of his death.

    Exactly who or why the smoke monster kills isn’t really clear yet. There’s obviously a submission element to it. But there’s a lot to learn.

  24. It has been alluded to that Locke had been lobbying Jack before his death and after the 6 got off the island. There was 3 years between getting off the island and the beard/pills era. So I assume it happened shortly before the beard.

    Hugo’s reckless impulsiveness is really annoying. Trying to blow up the food supply, trying to stop the dynamite at the hatch, throwing the walkie talkie into the ocean, running out to the cops against the explicit advice of a spiritual visitor.

    It was nice of him to start the season un-crazy all of a sudden. But how did that happen?

    Why would Eko be on the plane? He wasn’t on it the first time around.

  25. I think that the spirtual advisors or the undead are also divided in at least two factions, which is to say not all of them may share the same agenda.

  26. Remember that near the end of Season 4, Jack has a visit from his dad. His dad says something like, “Son, there’s a lot to talk about.” But, we never see that conversation. Methinks we will this year, and that + Locke’s visit will push Jack into pilldom.

    I think we are going to find out that the whole time travel thing will explain most of the “ghosts” that we see. Specifically, remember that Locke has a vision of the “Math” dude, Horace Godspeed or something, when they are looking for the cabin. Locke looks surprised, and then the ghost says, “well, it could have something to do with the fact that i have been dead for 20 years.” And, then he starts…wait for it…skipping/looping and replaying the same scene over again. Only this time, his nose starts to bleed.

    Anyway…I think we’ll find out that the record skipping will turn out to be a REALLY important explanation of how things operate on the island.

    And, anyone want to venture a guess as to who the other faction on the island was? I think it would be cool if they were part of Rousseau’s team…but, that wouldn’t make sense…

  27. Why couldn’t the “other faction” (the flaming arrow shooters) simply be “the island’s original inhabitants, aka Richard’s people?

  28. their garb seemed to suggest that they were newly transplanted there…and it had what looked like military nametapes…

  29. Clark, 29: I’m not talking about when Locke knifed Naomi (who I think is from Manchester, not Portugal). I’m talking about a conversation Jack mentions to Ben while they are in the hotel (Jack has just shaved his beard):

    BEN: So obviously John’s visit to you made an impression. What did he say to you to make you a believer?

    JACK: Sawyer…Juliet…everyone from the boat…everyone we left behind—John said that they’d die too if I didn’t come back.

    BEN: Did he tell you what happened to them after the island moved?

    JACK: No, no he didn’t.

    BEN: Then I guess we’ll never know.

    The first thing Jack says could have reference to the knifing incident on-island, except that he quotes Locke as saying “if I didn’t come back.” On-island, Locke’s warning is that Jack needs to “stay”—“come back” only makes sense if Locke is talking to Jack off-island. Furthermore, Ben’s follow-up comment (“after the island moved”) makes it pretty clear that we’re talking about a post-rescue visit from Locke to Jack.

    There was another reference to a Jack-Locke conversation last night, but I can’t quite remember when it happened and I’m not going to watch the whole thing again (right now, anyway!) to find it.

    Also, in the finale to Season 4, when Kate and stoned-Jack are arguing at the airport at night (this one I ripped from Lostpedia):

    KATE: “We have to go back”? “We have to go back”?

    JACK: Now hold on–

    KATE: Who do you think you are?! You call me over and over again for two days straight, stoned on your pills! And then you show up here with an obituary for Jeremy Bentham. (Sighs) When he came to me and I heard what he had to say, I knew he was crazy. But you… you believed him.

    JACK: Yes.

    KATE: Him, of all people.

    JACK: Yes, Kate, I did, because he said that that was the only way that I could keep you safe–you and Aaron.

  30. Hayes—I’m not certain that the flaming arrow group is the same as the group that caught Juliet and Sawyer and were going to cut off Juliet’s hand. The hand-cutters looked a little like Dharma to me…. Did we ever see a person with a bow in his/her hand? (I think we got a glimpse of them in the previews, but I can’t remember.)

  31. My favorite moment: when Hugo threw the burrito in Ben’s general direction.

    I’m pretty sure that was a Hot Pocket. Probably pizza. These types of details are vital.

  32. It was definitely a Hot Pocket!

    Why exactly does Sun want to kill Ben? I mean, clearly she blames him for Jin’s death, but why does she blame him for Jin’s death?

    I suspect that Locke visited Sun just like he did Jack and Kate. If so, it’s possible that Locke told Sun that Ben knew about Keamy’s dead-man’s-trigger and killed him anyway. Thus Sun would know that Ben is responsible for the freighter blowing up, which presumably killed Jin.

  33. Brian, I thought they were a different group as well. However I don’t think they are Dharma (although I could be wrong) Anyway in the preview one of the guys who looks like Australian army had a bow. That doesn’t mean they are the same but it is suggestive.

    The producers said on the podcast today that we’ll be learning more about the four toed statue this season (but not where the food drops come from). So I suspect we will be meeting natives. (And will we find out Batmanuel is a pirate?)

    John, I know it was Eko’s brother on the plane. But I figured Locke would leap into the future and meet Eko. Instead he got shot.

    Good call on the Jack/Locke bit.

  34. I don’t think that Sun wants to kill Ben. I know that’s what’s she told Widmore, but look at the other evidence:

    When Sun usurps her father, Mr Paik, he asks her “Why?” She responds, “You ruined my husband’s life. It is because of you we were on that plane. Two people are responsible for his death. You are one of them.”

    That leaves us to determine who the second person is, and I think it’s Widmore—his boat, his mercenaries. Thus, Sun is working with Widmore to gain access to him and then turn on him and kill him.

  35. My question is why did Widmore choose Miles, Farraday, and Charlotte to go to the island. They are obviously on the “good” side.

    And how did he find them?

  36. My question is why did Widmore choose Miles, Farraday, and Charlotte to go to the island. They are obviously on the “good” side.

    It’s a good question. I don’t think Widmore cared about their moral purtiy so much as their specialized skills. Miles is a psychic who can commune with the dead (i.e., Jacob?), Faraday is a physicist specializing in time travel, Charlotte is an anthropologist. Perhaps more importantly, they all have experience and connections with the island. Faraday has studied the DHARMA initiative and may have traveled to the island previously. Charlotte lived on the island as a child and may have been born there. We don’t know much about Miles yet, but here’s a theory I’ve heard that I like: Miles is Dr. Chang’s baby. I think it’s highly unlikely that Miles doesn’t have a connection to the island like the others.

  37. Fools! Hot Pockets come in sleeves. It was not a hot pocket. However, perhaps it wasn’t a burrito. What it looked like was a giant extra long egg roll.

  38. Great summary. I totally missed the significance of kids on the island in the opening sequence. And I love the Alpert-Locke constant idea.

    Alternate theory to the above: the skipping-through-time phenomenon only affects those who arrived on the island from somewhere else. Alpert is a native, so it couldn’t effect him.

    I wonder about the other people with Alpert though. Aren’t Cindy (flight attendant) and the two kids with him? It looked like everyone in that group vanished (or, didn’t shift). Just makes me wonder whether people can acquire control over time travel. And yes, Richard says he’s a native, but is he?

    Why exactly does Sun want to kill Ben? I mean, clearly she blames him for Jin’s death, but why does she blame him for Jin’s death?

    See my comment on the other thread—I think she’s after Widmore, not Ben.

    The compass that Alpert gives Locke…

    So that confused me, because I seem to remember Locke running around the island with a compass throughout seasons 1-4. I assumed the compass Richard showed to boy Locke was that same compass. Was that a different compass? Are there two compasses?

  39. Faraday mentioned to Karl and the other people on the raft that it was because he was “inside the radius” that they moved in time with the island (or, uh, with the other people on the island—or, some of the people on the island— or whatever). Well, okay then. That’s really all the exposition we need to explain Dan’s continued presence on the show.

    Didn’t Karl die?

  40. BrianG, I was watching, wondering why on earth Hurley would be microwaving a hot pocket without its sleeve or a plate or even a napkin, but figured it was a sign of his desperate circumstances. But it definitely looked like a hot pocket to me, not a burrito. By the looks of the red smear on the wall, it could have been the meatball or pizza variety.

  41. Here’s my crazy theory: I think the eerie warnings we’ve seen post-Oceanic 6 rescue are about Locke, not Aaron. (Dream Claire to Kate: “Don’t bring him back! Don’t you dare bring him back!” ; Ghost Charlie to Hurley about how Jack is “not supposed to raise him.”)

  42. re the writers’ “Nikki and Paolo mistake”: With all this time-skipping, don’t ya’ get the feeling we might run across our favorite tragic couple again? And I don’t think they’re going to stay dead this time. Recall the conversation Paolo had with Locke (Season 3.14):

    LOCKE: It looks like you’re digging a hole. Every man’s entitled to his secrets Paulo, but can I give ya a piece of advice?

    PAULO: Please John.

    LOCKE: You should put the shovel away and save yourself some trouble.

    PAULO: Why is that?

    LOCKE: Things don’t stay buried on this Island….

  43. Part of an interview on E! online:

    Kristin: You fire a mean Hot Pocket, my friend.

    Jorge Garcia: Oh, thank you! That was fun to do. Actually, Michael [Emerson] had a line, “Now that’s a terrible waste of a Hot Pocket.” I don’t know why they cut it, but it was funny. What was awesome was that they made a bunch of rubber Hot Pockets for the scene. I actually hit Michael once with it! Then we used a real Hot Pocket to get a nice, good splat.

  44. Oh, the shame of poor hot pocket recognition skills!

    But in my defense, hot pockets have changed a great deal since the time of my youth.

    Like the Cylons, they have evolved.

    And they have a plan!

  45. I really liked the Nikki and Paolo episode (which was a riff on an old episode of Alfred Hitchock Presents) even if no one else did. But I think it was more the attempt to have one off episodes which failed. (In that the fans didn’t like it)

    I don’t think we’ll be seeing them again.

    BTW – my brother in law is a manager at the plant they make Hot Pockets. He says it is one of the few things increasing in sales in the recession.

    Heather, good point. I halfway wonder if there are two forces among the “ghosts” from the island. Remember the ghost that tried to convince Hurley to commit suicide. I remain committed to the idea that the ghosts are from a giant computer ala Sphere, Lost Planet, or Solaris.

  46. One thought about the Jacob’s cabin and its ability to “move.”

    Any chance that when the cabin isn’t around, it might be because those seeking it out aren’t in the right time frame at that moment? So, the cabin no longer exists, the only way to visit it is when the island decides it is appropriate and zaps you back a few years?

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